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(312) NBC Interview w/prisoner 4
to come down here to Stanford and were going to break us out with some
friends.
I Can you tell me a little big about–was there anything in the
way you behaved that began to surprise you? Aspects of yourself that
you discovered for the first time?
P One night when I was first told I couldn’t quit, I still wanted
to get out to see a counselor because I trusted–you know I thought that
the people running the experiment I could trust enough so, but the guards!
I couldn’t trust them at all, like they wouldn’t let me get to those people.
So I sort of tried to psych myself into seeming like I couldnt do anything
because I was so emotionally depressed. It was sort of like a facade, I
was trying to put on, in other words I wouldn’t speak in a normal tone of
voice, I would speak very slowly. And I was trying to work on the
sympathy of the guards, and I felt guilty at the same time because my
cellmate even, he didn’t know whether I was putting on an act or not, and
I tried to use the emotions of the guard and my cellmate and stuff so that
I could speak with the counselor. I don’t know if you can understand, but
I was trying to manipulate their emotions, in fact that’s what I felt I
did now–I felt that at the time, I felt guilty trying to use the
other person, in a way, you know, feeling sorry for me just so they would
let me get what I wanted to get.
I Is there anything in your behavior that you feel ashamed of?
P Well, ashamed? Well no, not really ashamed because, that’s really
hard to say. I almost feel justified in anything in my behavior because
I felt that things that were being done to me and people around me were
unjustified.
I How do you feel about the guards?
P I still try to look at them as people all the time
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